To click or not to click
So, I've been listening a bit to Athenes arguments as put by some guy naming himself Glink; And I guess Glink was spot on at throwing Athene a bit out of concept.
At least to me it stands that I've come to get a glimpse at where the big differences between the 'Click' (Logic/Neurology based Enlightenment) - and Unification
(Spiritual/God based Enlightenment). But - I'll save that for later.
First of all - there is ... the thing. People that argue against Athene do make one general mistake which is the same as people arguing against believers - which in
some sense is a problem with believers; But its not one you can do away. I mean - if we are to give Athene the benefit of the doubt then Clicking is "tangible"/has
measurable effects; Then the point of an argument cannot be made on ignoring that. Aaaand ... yadayadayada. Whatever.
What I mean is that people approach Athene based on the idea that he's a Moron - so they'll throw their arguments at him, kindof building on the premise that all that
comes of him is jackshit. Then they get upset because he kindof tries to correct their line of argument towards what 'could' provide a basis for mutual consent - and
because those that argue against him cannot take that offering they ... make blank statements or dismiss his points; Just as they claim he does.
The points they keep making that have weight are of course regarding the credibility of this clicking - and - if it is really credible; I have reasons to believe that
I have also come to 'click' - and that through Unification. I would though not say that I have Logic as a core value and that possibly translates into some of the
issues or problems that I got with myself; Like - the desire to smoke or to think sexually - the point is that logic doesn't connect to certain things about me; Which
from the clicking perspective could be considered a "drag". Yet, from a different perspective this 'logic "bubble"' - well - it isolates a 'puristic ego' from the
rest - in the sense that you can't logically 'connect' to any pleasure whatsoever - as, once your passionate, to me, it starts in the heart and eventually has to make
its way to the head, where however once logic dictates everything as the fundamental premise there is something of a wall. So, what I say is pretty much along the lines
of what has been said often enough I guess, that sometimes you just have to let go for instance.
And in that, there is my problem with this Clicking; Not as a 100% "its all wrong" kind of thing though; Which is linked to our "Neuroplasticity" which essentially is
something we could take as a cover-word for "Brainwash". And boosting up our 'Logic' while thereby building those walls; With a premise of smoking being unlogical and
stuff like that; We're just agreeing to get brainwashed for a 'subjective gain'. And at this point we can boost straight ahead into that topic of objectivity and
subjectivity; Transcending all the bla bla in-between; As I have a point there that I can make - which is about Objectivity being not an impossible thing.
So, Athenes stance is pretty much solid in that we can basically all agree in that all our objective awareness is after all subjective - and in this "intersubjectivity"
that emerges therefrom the most objective present facts are individuals themselves. So - how do you become president of the USA for instance? Up unto the pools everything
about it is pretty much Objective in that there are people involved. Or, lets take this further. Lets assume Athene is wrong but he gains enough momentum through people
that know not better - then we're all agreeing in that everything is subjective, with Athenes proposal being made that which is 'objective' as the one solution thats
being rubbed in our face.
As a Mormon believer I therefore am anxious - wondering how the Scientific world would then try to argue about or against the Testimony for instance. Technically you only
need to assume for long enough that its a delusion - while being the dominant position in the debate as to tickle all the answers out of the believer so until he has none
left; And then you say: "But yea, thats it!" - "you can't proof it!". Its a simple approach of basically abusing the individuals neuroplasticity to put his experience into
a context thats detremental to his actual understanding and in favour of those "skeptics".
Context is important to the Testimony - its fundamental - therefore its a good reference item; In this context. The Testimony is pretty much a "click" - in that it begins
to determine your understanding of the world on a deeply fundamental Level and that rather objectively. Its just ... "sword Logic". (Sword Logic: A term coined for a Video
Game named 'Destiny' which simply says: "The stronger sword wins" - uhm, ...). The Testimony means that God reaches/reached into the human being 'wiring' thoughts together
relative to the individuals desire to experience the Truth. Through giving the Testimony, that one way, God takes the responsibility of having given that answer and thus
takes care of those fundamental thoughts that reflect the Truth to stick out. To be dominant. We could say that its subjective; But its not because the thoughts - as sujective
as they may have been - are what we might call 'exalted'. To me that means that the Mormon Church is the true Church and that their scriptures have been tinkered with.
So - I can investigate this answer and find that the Priesthood that Mormons nowadays hold is sufficient to give this Church the status of 'true Church' - because its the
true Priesthood - or at least: I cannot objectively claim that the Priesthood is fake because in that sense it couldn't be the true Church! On the other side I have been
told that the scriptures are tinkered with, which is also evident, while this particular Testimony now puts me into a situation where I'm capable of setting myself apart
of the Church as to criticize their lineup. There is nothing subjective about it.
To be polite we could call it 'divine objectivity' though. The matter with divine objectivity is that as absolute as existence is, as absolute is God - and what God sais
is true becomes true; At least within terms of physical reality. With a snap God could invert Gravity. So - what we're moving on to here is to ignore science and the
physical world for the sake of focussing on conscious constructs; Which is where our concept of Objectivity exists.
It is in there that we have to be "straightened" sotospeak - as to the point of solving our "intersubjective problems" - which means, well, people 'cause' problems - and
we perpetuate them by missing each others point. Anyway - so, beliving in God or not - thats something each individual answers for itself - and the real problems an
unbeliever may have with God are the downsides of Religion such as what within Religion itself is called 'Evil'. Evil as dominant within Religion makes Religion evil -
to the point that Atheism appears preferrable - while to a believer its about more fundamental Truth. So, there are incompatible interests or agendas; And as opposing
groups come to resort to absolutes; As basically a way of embracing the other person into the own world/mindset - while to me, well, subjectivity ... thats a world loosing
value.
So - we can't say that the Mormon Church is objectively the true one - but someone with a Testimony can say 'objectively' that it is the true one. That is then because
the objective concepts of the individual have been exalted respectively - leading to those items that can be objectively exalted within speech; Directly mirroring the
individuals respective mindset. You cannot bring me evidence for or against the Mormon priesthood - neither will my expressed Testimony do so to you. But there is a truth;
And as there is a God there is the Testimony clarifying that truth to the individual; And thats it!
"That God" by the way is that God which within any reference frame would be 'the One and only' - though, ... - certainly there has to be some Faith involved into growing
that Understanding. But Faith in this is objectively an individual concern; As 'you' need to have a Testimony, period. Whenever you need another human being to certify that
truth to you, well, you're essentially failing! Well, step one is to "assume" that one God that is above everything to exist as for the point of talking to that Entity.
Next it is up to that Entity, if it exists, to reach out to you. And so is the whole 'Alpha and Omega' thing that God is at both ends of your mindset there. God is that
one Entity above everything; But also that one Entity deep inside of you. "Deep inside" ... well. As for what 'you' are - there is just a point, or "plug" - so, if some
other human being snook "inside" your mind - it'd yet be 'surrounding' that which we might call is 'your core'. But everything you are is made up of God so - God is
within everything you are. To say: This whole spectrum of possibilities (spheres, aeons, dimensions, layers of hierarchy and power and stuff) - at some point becomes nil
and irrelevant. This clarifies a lot - while first of all its simply the relevance of things that are relevant; As "to the best of your knowledge" ... I mean. Thats what
we'd call subjective. As in: you cannot objectively tell. But for the time being you then got to deal with that God - while your objective reference frame is purely
individual. But so you have to make it up to (that) God to proof to you that there is nothing above "Him" - while on the other side you'd have to proof that God isn't ...
God! The whole "there might be other shit" argument ... thats just ... entirely based on the premise that this one God above everything either won't or can't answer to
your plea!
Anyway - this goes a whole lot further with Unification. And yea - pretty much into the same direction; Yet is there no longer just 'one box of items' (the Testimony) from
where you yourself can only have a relatively narrow gain; But the continous presence of the Force. So, there is the same thing as with the Testimony going on in that thoughts
vastly produced by your own mind get exalted - where you could compare this 'exaltation' to the 'strong force' within Physics - but that is where 'real objectivity' unfolds
anyway. The point is that me trying to explain stuff to you here is flawed in that it primarily reflects whaat I think needs explaining; But once you think for yourself you
kindof understand where you yourself are coming from. So you have your objectivity for instance - which would at first get changed through having a Testimony. You might not
think so now. But that is then your 'normal logic' piecing things together; But if you get serious about that and get one, you get a shift of perspective as you then have a
few things that are just 'made' objective value. Once that happens on a more fluid and continous/interactive Level, it becomes more like gathering stuff. The "Enlightened
Core" (exalted thoughts) "reach out" (the Force does) for things that are of its own; Relative to your perspective. Can I put that claim to the challenge though? Well -
I guess not in a way that is bulletproof to skepticism!
But yea - thats it for objectivity. And from here on out - I guess I'll be derailing big time because I'm kindof triggered to think sexually again. Well, I'm wondering because
I understand that sexual topics are just generally triggering. I mean, "click bait logic" that is. Thats what we see about Trump; Here and there also about Athene - and now I'm
questioning what I basically would do. But - I guess that all that people do want ... is ... [drumroll] ... [ka-chink] ... [*cannot compute*]. LOL!
Well yea - the revelation; Or so - the baity thing is in the lack thereof; Else it'd be porn!
I mean - establishing an obvious context as 'bait' - that can be done on a scale such as Trump with his daughter - but holding back on the revelation so this "oppinion" that
people have can't come out, but remains inside and ... mingles into fantasy. So - Athene adding the line "I am the New Jesus" to his description is a bit like that. Its
provocative; While not really getting any further into that pushes that into the background where now somewhat subconsciously a perception of his success is kindof the only
thing you get to add to that - as you possibly won't actively look for counter arguments; or may only find 'one' - which won't make you believe that he is Jesus, but -
eventually you'll be so hyped for him that you say "yea, he's fucking Jesus!" - where Jesus is now your word for 'awesome'. Thats, neuroplasticisty!
Further, provocation like that can amass disagreement, which can spark further attention.
And now - I'm all out of words. And well, intersubjectivity is important! Or as I would rather say: Between us, between you and me, from your perspective; There is what you
think of me and what you don't know of me. This lack of knowledge has to enter awareness so to the point that you understand that your knowledge of me is vastly subjective;
As an objective asessment can only be made relative to objective data to the extent of its potential. Same goes for me. And knowing that is a matter of fact basis for mutual
respect! Trollollol!
I mean - through Unification we can I guess rather speak of:
Interobjectivity
by Christopher Nikolaus Sonnberger | 2016.12.17 - 05:17